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Today we're gonna be talking a little bit about I think some of the 360 footers that I've been shooting at the waterfalls, some of the stuff up in the Mackenzie wilderness area, and some of it over like the three sisters wilderness area, so and then there's also cash budget stuff, we did a bunch of stuff on the coast, we did a bunch of stuff on hikes on bike rides, we had a friend with a motorcycle, drive it up a trail, that was cool. We shot over to Smith rock up to a couple of spots over in the high desert area, Eastern Oregon. Today, though, just for a minute, we're talking about some of the stuff that we did over proxy files, proxy files is a nice spot in Oregon, definitely a hiking destination that should be at the top of a lot of people's lists, especially for people that live I guess in the Willamette Valley area where you can get up on highway 126 and head out toward or if you're in the band area, and you want to come up that other way. But then you go up away up the 126, which is the main highway now. And then you take you take a little road that cuts off and that's the old road. I guess that used to be the old path that went overall you know, the mountain range there over the Cascades and then up on over to the part of Eastern Oregon, I guess we continued. But as you come up over the past there, there's a couple of cool lookouts up toward the top, but a little lower down as you're kind of, you're kind of starting your way up. There's a pull-out for proxy falls, and it's a really interesting waterfall. I think it's one of the taller waterfalls in Oregon. I think that watts and falls might be the tallest waterfall, which we also went to just a couple of days ago and I'll talk about that in the next couple of days on this. This flash briefing to the proxy false was beautiful. It was a tall waterfall, the way that it kind of cascades down and sort of blows up mist and creates kind of this mossy I guess kind of rain for his temperament. Or what would it be like oh, we're like a rain forest by him? So that sort of environment right around the place where the waterfall kind of crashes down all at one spot. But we took this 360 camera in there and recorded a bunch of footage and it has come out interesting. I love that sort of stuff. So it's really fun getting over there. 2:27 You can see more of my work at Billy Newman photo comm you can check out some of my photo books on Amazon. I think you can look at Billy Newman under the author's section there and see some of the photo books on film on the desert, on surrealism on camping, and cool stuff over there. 360-degree photo work over the last couple of weeks which has been cool and I've enjoyed it a lot. I liked doing the 360 stuff I think back in June of 2018 we had done a bunch of podcasts about some of the 360 photography stuff that we were trying to do some of the video stuff we were doing with the GoPro Fusion at the time. And that was all cool and I liked that video a lot this time I was working with a Ricoh Theta zone. And I was going around to a few locations to try and get the photographs. Specifically, I think photographs a lot in this circumstance not so many videos. But yeah, really interested in the 360 photography stuff that I was able, to edit together and to capture during that time. So that was cool. But I went out to an area in instead of Central Oregon, that was pretty cool and went up on like a hillside to do some 360 work. And it's cool out there because you can see the topography of how the Great Basin was formed at the wall I guess like during the whole era of the Pleistocene as it was for a long-standing period. Like a lake is just a big lake out there. And then as things started changing at the end of the place to see anything there were huge changes that ended the Great Basin stuff that ended a lot of the megafauna that was in the area. And that kind of changed the topography of the landscape over the last 10,000 years to be something much more of the high desert sagebrush Juniper tree exposed rock landscape that we see today and a lot less of the forested temperate kind of mountain climate that we have through the Cascades and part Oregon I'm sure it was always drier given the rain shatters the Cascade Mountains there but I think that for a long time as according to signs posted on my drives in areas where I go hiking sometimes but you know like when you go up to someplace and it says you know this area so such and such time ago had these animals in it where you see like giant beavers or you see like camels or giant sloths, I guess they added the area to there's all sorts of stuff that they had. That ended up being wiped out 100,000 years ago, 60,000 years ago, too, what, 1020 10,000 years ago, something like that. There's a lot of changes that happened throughout the Pleistocene, I guess during what they call the quarternary period, a period of glaciations that the Earth has been involved in for the last 100,000 or 200, maybe million years. I'm not sure it's last couple 100,000 years we've been going in these cycles of glaciation. So you know, we're in an ice age period. So we go into an ice age like we have ice on the Earth right now. It'll be more ice at a point and then less ice at a point. More is at a pointless I said a point, I guess it's been going on for what they say somewhere around like 200,000 years, these 30,000 year periods of glaciation to non-glaciation, where like, I think we're coming, we're like on the far end of the Glacial Maximum now. So we had the, with the Glacial Maximum about like, what, 11,000 12,000 years ago? Or is that right? No, it must have been, like, 15 20,000 years ago that we're at the maximum, then it started receding. I suppose. That's when we were able to No, that doesn't make sense. We had like the landbridge, like the Beringia stuff where people got over that was probably 15 to 20,000. sea levels were low, or they were like 400 feet squared along the coastlines that came over through the land. So that was all pretty long ago. Well, anyway, at some point, like I was there like I'm gonna figure out Wait, let me remember. Let me think back to 15,000 years ago, where was I? Yeah, I wasn't here. So I don't know what happened. But apparently, there's been some recorded evidence that I was learned about, and I think it's like Montverde down in Chile. And that's a location where I think they carbon-dated something to 15,000 years old, like human remains, the human element remains, there's, there's like a few locations here in Oregon, where they, I guess, have evidence of the Clovis people that sort of around like the 1112 13,000 year mark. And then there's other evidence of things that are I don't know within like it's time it's like anything from like 7500 years to 15,000 years ago seems to all kind of be in flux have a date, because there's not many, 7:25 not many perfect ways to date that. And if it's a cultural artifact, like a, an arrowhead, or a pot shard, or a scraper, there's some indication of how those things are going to be created or how those artifacts are going to be created and how there's going to remain like Folsom points or Clovis points are pretty distinct from each other, but they're not culturally distinct from each other. So it could be like a variation of many different tribes and languages and peoples all well unrelated to each other but related with a similar vein of technology for a few 1000 years of you know, their tool use shape was kind of similar because they're all kind of from a similar descendency but I think when you get like more than 100 miles away, your language is separate over like a couple of generations. You just got to speak different languages. But man wild stuff anyway, so I don't remember where we started with this. But I was out in Eastern Oregon, exploring the Great Basin, I went up on a hillside and public land and I was doing some 360 photography work with the Ricoh zeta Oh, Ricoh Theta zone. That's what it is. And yeah, I was capturing some stuff on a hillside really beautiful areas up there where those ridges kind of drop in and out. And so it's cool when you get like up to a higher elevation, you can kind of see the pockets of where these lakes and pools of water and kind of sat and rested for what seems like I think I was saying something about recording some 360 photographs up on some public land in the high desert, in the Lake County in Great Basin area of Eastern Oregon. beautiful spot over there. I enjoy it. And yeah, it was awesome to use the Ricoh Theta zone to be capturing some images up in that area, it's cool when you're at a higher elevation. And with a 360 camera, you can kind of it provides a little bit of a different perspective, it seems silly to see like wider, but when you re when you kind of replay those images, and you're able to sort of look around in the context of what's the left hand to the right of you, you're kind of able to put together the context of the landscape a little better, a little faster than you could if you just had a series of individual photographs that had segments of the wider landscape captured in it so it's cool at that higher elevation. You can kind of look down to areas that we had been hiking around earlier in the day through Some of the ridges and troughs that would be over in that area, and you can look down, you know, it's like 500 feet down in elevation to what we thought was kind of the mountain top pass and then pass that as another maybe 1000 foot or a couple of 100-foot drop in elevation as it goes down toward the lake basin area. So all that was pretty cool. And what was also cool about it is just sort of visualizing how populated that area had been in the past, I think, you know, before the Western expansion of the United States, and as 1000s of years passed by in this region of land in the northwest, it had been populated in that region specifically been populated by nomadic tribes that had been able to travel and subsist off of the wild game that was there, I think a lot of like antelope and deer, and it looks like bighorn sheep by some of their planning some kind of sheep, but it looks like that from some of their, their pictographs and petroglyphs information that they left then the dynamics of some of those populations of animals have changed in the time. Now given like modern-day, I don't know, I don't know if we're gonna see a lot of sheep out there in Lake County. But there's one drawn on a rock out there. So they must have been trying to look for it. There's a lot of them in the southwest. Is he moving into the I think the Mohawk tribes. For them, that's more of a 3000 to 25 2000. I don't know, it's probably bad. It was 3600 years ago, sort of a thing. But or 100 years ago I think it was like Captain jack over there Captain jack stronghold for the Murdoch Indian Reservation area. That was like in the Indian Wars of the 1850s. So they allowed us to tell them, but yeah, there's some information about some of the 11:52 pirate, the pirate Indians, I think the Northern Piute there were in that area of Southern southeastern Oregon, Nevada, then into Utah, Arizona, and New Mexico if I kind of understood, right, but I know there are some fluctuations in there. And differences and timing and stuff. But yeah, dollar, pretty cool stuff. It was really, it was awesome to get out there. It's, it's cool to get out and kind of walk around in scenarios of some public land, where we still have some access and still get out to try and do some photography stuff. Even in this period where you're supposed to stay home and there's a lockdown it was, it was cool to kind of get out and try and do some exploring and some social distance consciousness. I mean, that's fine with me, I don't, I don't have to be around a lot of people, it's better to do landscape wildlife photography worked while you're sort of in some type of isolation, I'm sure like a lot of hunters are kind of considering something like that to you know, hunters, fishermen, people like hiking or you know, a lot of those solo activities, it's cool that you know, this kind of this time, sort of is provided a little bit of a reset for probably a lot of people out there to have a bit more time to invest in some of the things that they'd want to, I suppose a lot of folks are probably stuck more in their local area but it's a great time too, to get to invest in some things that seem more important to you. So that's what I've been trying to do. I hope you guys are doing well. Thanks a lot for listening to this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. You can check out more at Billy Newman photo comm I've been doing a ton of updates over there. It's an airplane taking off. Sounds like prop plans about to fly over my head. It's like that scene in North by Northwest. Cary Grant starts getting run down by that biplane. That'd be scary. So that's that in the future. You can check out more information at Billy Newman photo comm you can go to Billy Newman photo.com Ford slash support. If you want to help me out and participate in the value for value model that we're running this podcast with. If you receive some value out of some of the stuff that I was talking about, you're welcome to help me out and send some value my way through the portal at Billy Newman photo comm forward-slash support, you can also find more information there about Patreon and the way that I use it if you're interested or if you're more comfortable using Patreon that's patreon.com Ford slash Billy Newman photo. 14:29 I bought a domain name nightscape podcast calm and so I'm trying to build a pretty simple WordPress site that can host a lot of the information about that podcast about that project as a whole. So it'll be pretty basic and it's not supposed to be something that's hugely complicated by any means. But I'm interested in you know, just trying to try to make some different graphics and make some explanation of the podcast and sort of how it works just to kind of differentiate it a little bit. And so it's just like a side project at all. IBM trying to put it together. But I've been trying to find out some ways to do that more easily. So I've already built about three or four pretty usable WordPress websites. And what I was hoping to do is trying to try to take a lot of that, that work that I had already done, and then migrate that over to this new nightscape podcast website that I'm trying to put together, along with another site that I'm trying to put together get together. I'll probably talk about that in the next podcast. But through this nightscape podcast website, what I was hoping to do was take a lot of the way that I've customized the theme that I'm using, and a lot of like the Page Layout stuff that I've already put together for let's see my Billy Newman photo website. And I want to try and find a way to migrate that over to this night sky site, and then strip out the parts that won't be the same, you know, I'll replace the graphics replace a lot of the layout stuff in a way that would be unique and bespoke to the way that I want this nightscape podcast website to go. But it's a little better than ours, it's a lot less work, it saved me a ton of time so that I don't have to go back through and make customizations to each of them, the fields associated with the site in a way that would be like brand new to it. So. So I'm trying to learn about that a little bit. What I've been trying to do is find out, I guess, different ways to do that. So one thing that I ran into, while I was trying to do a bunch of this troubleshooting on my site over the last couple of weeks, was that I'm really in need of making backups of my WordPress sites. And so what I went through and did is I made sure there's ways within WordPress to do this, but I was using a plugin. That's and you should let me know if anybody's listening out there. And they've had experience doing backups at their WordPress site, you should let me know it was the most effective there's, there's like the cPanel backup that I've made from the server side where I backed up the files that were associated with the website. And so hopefully that can be restored in a way that'd be useful. But there are also some complications that I think I've run into with that. And it wasn't as user-friendly as I wanted it to be. And the restore points, I don't know, it didn't feel like it worked for me as well as I had hoped it would. But it did come in use, it was very useful for me to do that when I did run into problems, and I wasn't able to access the site. So I'm glad I had those backups of the cPanel. But I do still have access to the WordPress dashboard of my website, what I'm hoping to do is use this plug-in system that I found. And I'm sure like a million other people according to what it said, I have found it also. But I'm using this plugin called Updraft Plus, to try and make to try and make backups of my WordPress pages. So I went through and made backups of each of the WordPress websites that I've created so far. And first, that was the Billy Newman photo.com website. And then in addition to that, there was golden hour wedding calm. So I made backups of both of those. And then there are another two websites that I'm still kind of working on. And I wanted to want to try and make those new. But I did make backups of those also. And I was able to save those on my server. But I was also able to download those to my local drive and put those on an external hard drive. And the great thing is, is that I can version those backups. So when I make adjustments, or when I make updates to my site, and I want to make another backup of it, it'll make I can make a backup, and then I can download that. And that'll be like the, you know, this was in January 2019. But with all these extra pieces of content, and with all these extra additions to the site, this will be the backup I make in February 2019, something like that. What I'm trying to figure out those. And I think what I've discovered is that what I want to do is make a backup of my WordPress site, let's say in this case, that Billy Newman photo comm back up, and I want to use that to clone and then migrate that over to the night sky podcast.com website. And so I think I found a way to do that even within Updraft Plus now the Updraft Plus plugin offers a premium service where you can purchase the ability to do a database migration for I think, $30, it's not $30 per site, but I think it's $30 for the plugin, and then you get support from that plugin developer for some time, I think it's like six months on the low end. And then if you need support for a longer amount of time, I think it's more money than that. There are probably some caveats to it. But that is an option that I'm trying to explore right now as if I'd want to go through that process of using the Updraft Plus plugin to do a migration on my site where I can bring in a lot of the theme customizations, the theme itself and the, I guess, the database with the updated database over to the night sky podcast website. And it could be an easy sort of one-click solution for it. But I'm also trying to look around and see if there are other ways for me to do an import for a clone of the website and the website data so that I can bring in a lot of the information but maybe leave out a lot of pieces that I won't need because I'm not trying to make an end an exact duplicate or an exact copy, I'm just trying to bring over certain elements that would be that have already been adjusted in a way that I don't want to do the work over for. So if I could just kind of bring in this draft of the website version, that's almost everything complete in the way that I want. And then delete the content that was on the blog, delete the pieces that were you know, over in this section of the site, rewrite and about page and a couple of paragraphs over here, recreate some graphics, and then I would have what would seem like a familiar site that would be on-brand. But it would also be, you know, a new site that would have a lot of new content on it, and it would just kind of remain the way that I wanted it to. So that's sort of the hope that I'm trying to go for. And I guess that the Updraft Plus plugin creates XML files for you to use. And 20:50 I don't know how it works. But I think if you break open the file that you downloaded, you can go through and then and then there's an alternate way of making an upload for that sort of stuff. But I guess the problem is, is like the database. So if you're migrating a site, it's expecting all those domain names to be what they had been in the past and not migrated, or not a set of new links that have these new domain names, everything is going to link back to another site, that it's not, it's not at so the database, I was just not going to make sense. And I think that's what this migration tool is supposed to help you do. So I'm looking into that. And I'm hopeful that I can kind of put that together pretty quickly. I'm also trying to be conscious of my time a little bit too so that I don't spend a huge amount of time and development trying to figure out you know, how to how to go through and fix a bunch of errors that might be created if I tried to do a restore of a backup or a clone of my other site and try and migrate that over to this new domain. I'm trying to figure out a way where I don't have to worry about that all that much, but I'm still gonna do some more research. It's gonna be an ongoing project, an ongoing project, and I will update you in this podcast on my progress. That's what I figured. So I'm gonna do that with another site too. I think I might have mentioned yesterday that we're starting the golden hour experience podcast. And we've also started the golden hour experience.com website. And so I'm going to try and go through the same process over on that site. So I can import a bunch of the settings that I have from golden hour wedding calm and try and put it together in a way so that I get to save a bunch of time and not have to redevelop a WordPress site from scratch again. So that's it and it could work it seems like if I pay just a little bit of money, I can make it work, which might make it worth it. I figured the other news that I was going to get to was some stuff about ebooks. I'm sure you're excited now. Thanks for listening to all this. Thanks for checking out this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. Hope you guys check out some stuff on Billy Newman's photo comm you knew things up there some stuff on the homepage, good links to other outbound sources. some links to books and links to some podcasts. Like these blog posts are pretty cool. Yeah, check it out at Billy numina photo calm. Thanks for listening to this episode and the back end