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Civil-military relations can seem like daunting jargon to most civilians, but it refers to how the military engages with the public it defends. In the case of America, the largest military force in the world, it is very important what civil-military relations are like, and it is even more important when ex-military leaders talk about politics. For a traditionally taboo subject for military leaders, it is very uncommon for one, let alone two significant figures to speak out against an active president, let alone one they served under. David breaks down the messages from Mike Mullen and James Mattis while pondering the significance of these statements. If you have any thoughts, questions, or want to present your argument, contact us and send us an audio clip at timwhiffen@auscastnetwork.com Ex-navy Admiral Mike Mullen's Statement Ex-marine General James Mattis' Statement on Trump See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.