Charlie Sykes is one of the most well-known Never Trump conservatives. Roger and Charlie discuss whether Charlie considers himself a Republican anymore; whether the conservative movement can survive Trump; the issues Democrats should run on in 2020 to persuade moderate voters; Wisconsin as the key swing state and more. 

Clusterf*cked

Episode 8 - Charlie Sykes, Co-Founder of The Bulwark and MSNBC/NBC contributor

Liberals are too clustered in major cities, mainly in blue states. This is why Hillary Clinton can get 3 million more votes and still lose the election. Progressives and liberals are not spread out enough across the country in large enough numbers to win more elections. What can liberals and progressives do to turn more of the map blue? The short answer is…MOVE! In this podcast, we talk to people in places that aren’t blue. Sometimes it’s liberals who are on the ground in deep red territory. Other times, it’s people who don’t agree with liberals. But always with the goal of answering these questions: What will bring more liberal voters to red states? How can liberals persuade voters who are already there? The Clusterf*cked Podcast is an exploration of a new liberal movement…that must be literal!

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