Why powerful people go to psychics

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Psychics have become a multi-billion dollar industry, despite not being backed by science. But powerful people, like politicians and the police, still rely on them. The Liberal party has come up with its long-awaited plan to get to net zero by 2050. But the government still needs the support of their regional colleagues, the National party, who remain unconvinced. Live guests: Gary Nunn, author of ‘The Psychic Tests’ Debbie Malone, psychic Darren Chester, Nationals MP