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Boris Johnson set out how England will exit its nationwide lockdown this week, with schools set to reopen in early March but shops and other businesses due to come later. We speak to Mark Harper, chair of the Covid Recovery Group, about what Tory MPs want to hear from the prime minister. Plus, we examine the Scottish National party's latest push for independence and whether their plan B will run foul of UK law. Presented by Sebastian Payne, with Mure Dickie and special guests Conservative MP Mark Harper and Nicola McEwan from Edinburgh University. Produced by Anna Dedhar and Josh da la Mare. The sound engineer was Breen Turner and the editor Cheryl Brumley.Review clips: UK pool, Scottish governmentFurther reading:A grim accounting of the UK’s virus mishandlingEngland lockdown starts to suppress Covid-19, study suggestsSchools in England to remain closed until at least early MarchTory activists hope for Covid ‘bounce’ if curbs are liftedIndependence vote ‘irrelevant’ to most Scots, says JohnsonThe battle is under way to save the UK unionThere is no cunning wheeze to stop Scottish independence  See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.