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We are facing interesting times, and because of this, Heather and I thought that some pensive, non-virus dialogue might be good for ourselves and our listeners, so today we are chatting about the idea of fairness and order that comes from growing up in a fundamental Christian church.  Heather speaks about how her life was very ordered and how when good people fell into unpleasant circumstances, at the very least she believed they would have their reward in heaven or she could frame them in the bigger picture. Now when bad things happen to her, that's just what they are, bad things happening. She talks about how her anxiety changed focus after her deconversion when fairness and order seemed to disappear.  Christine felt that her life before deconversion was quite unfair, and actually found some peace after her deconversion. She describes herself as a relatively disordered person, and talks about the way her family actually rejected the idea that Christian obedience to good deeds and were committed to the idea of a relationship with god being primary.  We'd first like to thank Niel the @604Atheist and David Lindes for providing clip content for us. In addition to that thank you to our listeners, the healthcare workers, the food industry employees and farmers, the pharmacists, the utility workers, the home and garden workers, and everyone who is doing their part to keep others safe. We also want to let victims of the virus know that we are thinking of you, and that your loss and pain are not diminished by how many others are feeling similarly. We're here for you if you want to talk or vent. If you need an outlet, or have a piece of art you want to share, please send to forsakingfaith@gmail.com.