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Ep. 37 — A tumultuous childhood filled with displacement and abuse draws a healthcare expert to the psychology of human behavior / Nicole Fisher, President of Health and Human Rights Strategies. To say that Nicole Fisher's childhood was tumultuous would be an understatement. Fisher's world fell apart when she was two years old when she began to experience a pattern of psychological, and physical abuse by her mother. When her parents divorced, her dad won custody of Fisher and raised her with the help of loving relatives. But Fisher still endured years of brutal custody battles in which the courts often sided with her mother and ordered Fisher to visit her or even live with her, creating massive stress and uncertainty, fueled in large part by her mother’s unpredictable behavior. “There were many times, she was so loving, and kind, and affectionate, and there were other times she was the opposite. And I think that actually at its core, is part of that underlying instability,” say Fisher. “It wasn't just, whether my grandma was picking me up from school, or my aunt, or I was going to walk home with cousins, I think it was really, not knowing which sort of personality you were going to get, and that instability . . . really created a need for me, to have predictability in my life, and to understand, why, what were those triggers, what was within my control, what wasn't.” Her chaotic childhood left Fisher with a deep hunger to understand the human psyche. She has devoted her career to working on issues of health and human rights, homelessness and hunger through her consulting firm, Health and Human Rights Strategies. Fisher soon realized that the poor and underprivileged in the U.S. confront many of the same issues as those in the developing world. This chasm between the haves and have nots in America has only come into sharper relief with #Coronavirus. In a strange way, the #Covid-19 pandemic has brought Fisher full circle to her own history of displacement, and resilience. Transcript Download the PDF Chitra Ragavan: Nicole Fisher's world fell apart when she was two years old, and she began to experience psychological, and physical abuse by her mother. Fisher's dad worked three jobs, and despite his best efforts, had little idea how to bring up a daughter, but he had the help of her grandparents, and many other relatives. Her chaotic childhood left Fisher with a deep hunger to understand people, and a passion for health and human rights. Hello everyone, I'm Chitra Ragavan, and this is When it Mattered. This episode is brought to you by Goodstory, an advisory firm helping technology startups, find their narrative. My guest today is Nicole Fisher, President of the consulting firm, Health & Human Rights Strategies. Fisher is a global health and policy contributor to Forbes, and the founder and curator of the think tank, A Seat at the Table. Nicole, welcome to the podcast. Nicole: Thank you for having me. Chitra Ragavan: Well, to say that you had a rough childhood, is a bit of an understatement. Tell us what happened. Nicole: Sure. It's not something I talk about very often, but yes, my childhood was, I think tumultuous, is a word. I had a wonderful family, a very big loving family, but my parents got divorced, for good reason, when I was very young, and there was, as you mentioned, some psychological and physical abuse. It went on for years, and so my dad got custody of me at two. We moved to be near his family. I was born in Louisiana, but we moved to Missouri, where his family was. And over the years, there were lots of custody battles, lots of court dates, lots of instances of having to choose which parent to live with. I of course chose my father, but the courts' system really believed, particularly back in those days, that children, girls in particular, should be with their mother. And I respect the mindset, and yet we had a loving... My father is the greatest guy in the world,