This week on the New Times podcast, Serena Kutchinsky speaks to the philosopher John Gray about the rise of Trump, the closing of the liberal mind, and the new climate of "wild, apocalyptic hysteria". (Serena Kutchinsky, John Gray)

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The New Statesman's New Times Podcast #4: John Gray

In this special New Statesman podcast series we expand on our New Times issue which identifies the political, economic and philosophical shifts shaping our society. The series will feature special guests and New Statesman's staff giving their view on what lies ahead for Labour and the left. Guests include Vince Cable, Phil Collins, Neal Lawson and Ros Wynne-Jones.

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