Matt returns to the show following open heart surgery. The duo discuss the fall out of America's withdraw from Afghanistan, including a likely "brain drain"—the rapid departure of human and civic capital.

Crossing Faiths

What follows the "brain drain" in Afghanistan?

Two friends, Matt Hawkins (a former policy director for the Southern Baptist Convention) and John Pinna (former Executive Director of American Islamic Congress) talk religion and politics. The podcast delivers weekly, 1 hour episodes featuring commentary on news, politics, multifaith experiences, and expert guests. The conversations build on almost a decade of their collaboration, advocating in Washington, D.C. for religious freedom domestically and around the globe. The two developed the podcast with a desire to share conversations that model friendship and collaboration despite deep differences in religion and background. Support our podcast via Patreon.

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Crossing Faiths